Comments on: Of Nick and Google, again… http://kavassalis.com/2010/03/of-nick-and-google-again/ code, carriers, cars, cooking, cameras Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:06:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: AlexTheStampede http://kavassalis.com/2010/03/of-nick-and-google-again/comment-page-1/#comment-9 AlexTheStampede Sat, 06 Mar 2010 06:01:18 +0000 http://kavassalis.com/?p=77#comment-9 Fortunately, that was a single person wanting more checks. Not a pool large enough to make some stats, but still shows that some people think that way. I personally see no problem on how things are handled by YT and similar: if a content gets reported, then it's taken down. Also, as other persons where pointing out, it would be hard if not impossible to check everything before it becomes public, and doing so would be expensive enough to convince the provider of the service to just shut down that money sink :D I'm sort of against complete anonymity. It's a power too great, and gets abused. As usual the root of the problem is people itself..... really hard to solve. Fortunately, that was a single person wanting more checks. Not a pool large enough to make some stats, but still shows that some people think that way.
I personally see no problem on how things are handled by YT and similar: if a content gets reported, then it’s taken down. Also, as other persons where pointing out, it would be hard if not impossible to check everything before it becomes public, and doing so would be expensive enough to convince the provider of the service to just shut down that money sink :D

I’m sort of against complete anonymity. It’s a power too great, and gets abused. As usual the root of the problem is people itself….. really hard to solve.

]]> By: nick http://kavassalis.com/2010/03/of-nick-and-google-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8 nick Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:21:07 +0000 http://kavassalis.com/?p=77#comment-8 Well gambling sites makes sense a bit, its a big problem in the US too, and I'm honestly not sure how we handle it in Canada. Do people really want to have to verify themselves with some sort of government ID just to post videos? Post blog comments? Where does it stop? Anonymous speech is required to have proper free speech. Worse still, even if they required Italians to provide some sort of verifiable ID before posting videos, anyone with true malicious intent would use a proxy, shell or TOR and just post through America. Unfortunately the internet needs to remain free of policing, let content providers who are diligent in dealing with take down requests a lone :) IMO at least! :D Well gambling sites makes sense a bit, its a big problem in the US too, and I’m honestly not sure how we handle it in Canada.

Do people really want to have to verify themselves with some sort of government ID just to post videos? Post blog comments? Where does it stop? Anonymous speech is required to have proper free speech. Worse still, even if they required Italians to provide some sort of verifiable ID before posting videos, anyone with true malicious intent would use a proxy, shell or TOR and just post through America.

Unfortunately the internet needs to remain free of policing, let content providers who are diligent in dealing with take down requests a lone :) IMO at least! :D

]]> By: AlexTheStampede http://kavassalis.com/2010/03/of-nick-and-google-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7 AlexTheStampede Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:48:04 +0000 http://kavassalis.com/?p=77#comment-7 Yup, there is people backing that. I had a discussion (on a forum, so yeah...) with one of those, and the funny part is that it works like this "ideally": YT should check that everything uploaded complies to local laws, and then make it public, because otherwise "thousand" of people will have seen that video meanwhile it's been online. Not all the internet needs to be like that. If you point out that it just means uploading a rejected video to a different service, then that's another part of the intertubes that needs to be monitored. Also, why not to sue the ISP for providing the bandwith? Easy: if you are using something that requires you to sign with real anagraphics then it's ok, since the shit falls on you directly. Point out that all they are really requiring so loudly is to have real, verified data in YT accounts so that there will be a few steps less to track you back in case of some law breaking content being uploaded (after it's been deleted due to viewers flagging).... and then the discussion is over, because it's impossible to reason with you. Ehe. Luckly enough we are pretty lazy an deep in bureacratic shit, so nothing ever happens. But still they try. Gambling sites that won't pay local taxes are blacked out of ISP DNS, same happened to The Pirate Bay. Then they blocked TPB IP. And actually were hoping to have their server confiscated, even if it's outside of italy's legal reach. Another funny thing is that a politician remarried with a sort of loose morals woman: hey Google, take her pictures out of your search plz. i'll never remember who said that internet is a set of tubes, but our politicians aren't even "tube smart". Yup, there is people backing that. I had a discussion (on a forum, so yeah…) with one of those, and the funny part is that it works like this “ideally”: YT should check that everything uploaded complies to local laws, and then make it public, because otherwise “thousand” of people will have seen that video meanwhile it’s been online. Not all the internet needs to be like that. If you point out that it just means uploading a rejected video to a different service, then that’s another part of the intertubes that needs to be monitored. Also, why not to sue the ISP for providing the bandwith? Easy: if you are using something that requires you to sign with real anagraphics then it’s ok, since the shit falls on you directly. Point out that all they are really requiring so loudly is to have real, verified data in YT accounts so that there will be a few steps less to track you back in case of some law breaking content being uploaded (after it’s been deleted due to viewers flagging)…. and then the discussion is over, because it’s impossible to reason with you. Ehe.
Luckly enough we are pretty lazy an deep in bureacratic shit, so nothing ever happens. But still they try. Gambling sites that won’t pay local taxes are blacked out of ISP DNS, same happened to The Pirate Bay. Then they blocked TPB IP. And actually were hoping to have their server confiscated, even if it’s outside of italy’s legal reach. Another funny thing is that a politician remarried with a sort of loose morals woman: hey Google, take her pictures out of your search plz.
i’ll never remember who said that internet is a set of tubes, but our politicians aren’t even “tube smart”.

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